Definition of a cynic October 31, 2009
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A cynic points to the reality which others wish to ignore.
- Ambrose Bierce
There’s a whole lot of ignorance in the newspace community…. just go read the recent email threads at mapcom, advocates, or the ever hilarious self-appointed “Space Development Steering Committee”.
CRATS, solved June 26, 2009
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kudos to the Money Cynic for passing over this truly cheap, reliable, access to space approach… although the “astronauts” should have brought their space suits.

Domo Arigato, Selene June 23, 2009
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Watch the video. Very cool HD imagery of Selene’s final descent to the lunar surface.
THE SPACE SHOW AND OLD SPACE CADET RESPOND TO MATT’S APRIL 28, 2009 POST REQUESTING WHAT POSITIVE ACTION CYNICS AND OTHERS CAN TAKE IN SUPPORT OF THE NEWSPACE INDUSTRY June 2, 2009
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THE SPACE SHOW AND OLD SPACE CADET RESPOND TO MATT’S APRIL 28, 2009 POST REQUESTING WHAT POSITIVE ACTION CYNICS AND OTHERS CAN TAKE IN SUPPORT OF THE NEWSPACE INDUSTRY
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1165-BWB-2009-05-31.mp3
On April 28, 2009, Matt Colborn responded to the April 22, 2009 Cynics post entitled “Well Said, Dr Griffin” with the following comment:
3. Matt Colborn – April 28, 2009
Hi — I’ve read the ’space cynics’ blogs for a while, and also listened to your arguments on the Space Show. I think that there is much truth in your arguments, and that the new space people need a reality check. You detail well what we should NOT expect from the space program in the near future.
However, once one has accepted this, where do we go from here? The subtext to much of your writing seems to be;
1. To give up on space entirely, especially human space, and do something else.
2. To pour scorn on those poor fools who refuse to do (1).
You’re very good at telling us what is not plausible, but what SHOULD we do? What IS realistic? Is space a lost cause, forever? Is that what you’re saying?
I think that you should write a little more about the *positive* action people should take, even if this means giving up on human space and concentrating on something else. Endless negativity just pisses people off eventually, even those of us (like me) who are sympathetic to your arguments….
Puzzled, Matt
The Old Space Cadet replied to Matt and his reply can be found at the top right of the Space Cynics page using the tab “old space cadet’s view.”
The Old Space Cadet, Dr. John Jurist, was then the guest on Sunday’s Space Show program (see the direct URL to the program above) where he discussed his posting and a comprehensive reply to Matt’s good question. Our show today is described as follows:
Dr. John Jurist returned to The Space Show to offer a response to a Space Cynics comment posted on the Space Cynics blog on April 28, 2009 by Matt Colborn. Matt asked what the positive action people should take regarding pushing towards our becoming spacefaring. Dr. Jurist responded to Matt’s question and you can read his response at http://spacecynic.wordpress.com/old-space-cadets-view/ . Our discussion proved stimulating and challenging as listeners not only asked questions about the Jurist action plan/view, but they also wanted a good definition of NewSpace, wondered why the term exists at all, and suggested other terms to represent space development activities. One caller, Thalia, asked what the NewSpace dogma was. You will want to hear how both Dr. Jurist and I answered that one! Dr. Jurist offered concrete suggestions ranging from stopping several negative and personal attacks on people who put forth different views, analysis, or bring different perspectives to the table. We also talked about the possible differences between NewSpace advocates and NewSpace businessmen and businesswomen. This is an important discussion you will want to hear. One of our callers, Jack, an economics student in Texas, talked about markets, the killer application for human spaceflight, and the economics of the launch rate. Don’t miss this discussion, it’s a good one. One listener asked Dr. Jurist for a reasonable test by a NewSpace participant regarding putting forth a positive impression with accurate rhetoric of say a particular project. One idea put forth by John was to more openly discuss issues by submitting papers to reviewed conferences and mixing it up idea-wise with peers that may not always be part of the church choir for NewSpace. I urge you to read the full article written by Dr. Jurist on Space Cynics at the URL above. If you have comments or questions for Dr. Jurist, please post them in the comments section after John’s Cynic’s article. Any comments or questions sent to me here at The Space Show will be posted on Cynics on the Old Space Cadet tab as I am asking you to do.
A Response (part 1) May 6, 2009
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A number of recent commenters/visitors to the Space Cynics blog have asked if we could put forward our view of what “should” be done, rather than simply critiquing what we see out there in our (somewhat) regular postings on the blog.
Initially, I was going to respond “if you read the damn blog, you’d see that we actually do this, across many posts.”
The reason? At some point even Sisyphus has to get tired of pushing his rock, and I get tired of saying the same “here’s how you should do it, here’s why A won’t work but B has a shot, etc” mantra. It’s a key reason why I walkd away from the industry for so long (and remain detached from it other than to stay connected with the many good friends I made whilst working in old and new space).
However, that isn’t fair to the readers…
Before I get to that, though, let me just say “Thank You”. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to read this blog, to listen to the contrarian voices in the wilderness, to challenge our thinking and our positions, and for adding to our perspective on space. At our cores (surrounded by that caramel and nougat goodness, of course) we are passionate about space, and really want the frontier to open. Not speaking for the others, but only for myself, I will reiterate that if I had $35,000,001, i would spend $35,000,000 on a ticket to ISS – even if it meant starting over building my retirement again. I have always been a space tragic, and will have it carved on my tombstone someday. While I may disagree with many of you on the details, I believe we all share a common goal, which is why we come back and push the rock, week after week.
When I get to a new blog, one that is “new” to me but may have been around for years, I am often frustrated by having to go back through months (or years) of postings simply to get up to speed on the POV of the author(s) and feel like I can join in the discussion. And yet, to an extent, our response to you who have asked about our position on X are often instructed to do the same thing (go back and look it up).
In order to be fair to our readers, occasional visitors, and accidental link-clickers (welcome anyways!), I have decided to put up a static “page” that will list out our positions and suggested approach for all to reference.
This may take a little while, though, and will require the input of my fellow Cynics. As such, I have named this “Part 1″.
Consider it the equivalent of a movie trailer – although not nearly as cool as the second trailer for Star Trek, with the great line “Why are you talking to me, man?”.
I can’t WAIT to see the movie this weekend!
Well Said, Dr. Griffin April 22, 2009
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A fictional space program will always be faster, better, and cheaper than a real space program.
- Mike Griffin, Goddard Award Dinner 2009
Methinks it will be awhile then… January 28, 2009
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How Cynical? Who, me? December 26, 2008
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This post is published as a courtesy to OldSpaceCadet, Dr. John Jurist, as he does not have his password to post this message. All comments regarding this post should be addressed to OldSpaceCadet.
How Cynical? Who, me?
A Christmas Eve Present from Rocket Man on http://www.rocketsandsuch.blogspot.com/ raises a very interesting issue:
The Emperor’s New Math
One metric ton is approximately 2204.6 lbs.
Twenty metric tons is therefore about 44092 lbs.
For $1.9B, Orbital Sciences may deliver 44092 lbs of cargo to the International Space Station (ISS) over the course of eight launches of its non-existent Taurus II rocket. By the way, the first stage of this rocket is derived from the Ukrainian-Russian Zenit. The same Russians we are worried about helping us through the Emperor’s self-made “gap.”
Back to the chalkboard. We divide 44092 lbs into $1.9B and find that Orbital will charge about $43092 per pound under its new commercial services contract to take cargo to ISS.
The KSC website shuttle faq reports that a space shuttle flight costs about
$450M to launch. They also say that a space shuttle costs about $1.7B to build.
The Emperor’s book, “Space Vehicle Design,” states on page 241 that
a space shuttle can carry about 16 metric tons (35273.6 lbs) to ISS on each
flight. Using the $450M per flight number from the KSC web site, that works
out to about $12757 per pound.
To summarize, go Commercial for $43092/lb.
Or go NASA for $12757/lb. (gold plated toilets and hammers included).
Or we could build a brand new space shuttle that could almost launch all of this cargo at once for less than the cost of paying for just one of the two
commercial contracts just awarded. For the total $3.5B offered, using NASA’s
numbers, we could buy two brand spanking new shuttles, launch each with their requisite loads, complete the contract obligations, and have two only slightly used space shuttles left over for whatever comes next.
What is wrong with this picture?
And there goes the Moon, or “Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire!” December 11, 2008
Posted by shubber in Congress, Manned Space, NASA, Wasting Money, bailout, economy, finance, hot air, smack talk, thanksgiving.Tags: Alt.space, Cheap Access To Space (CATS), economic crisis, Manned Space Exploration, Moon, NASA, NewSpace, obama, spaceports
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So, if the alt.space gossip lines are right, there’s trouble a-brewing in the halls of NASA these days, with the Administrator (Mr. Griffin) apparently not terribly interested in working with the Obama transition point person (Lori Garver).
Kudos to Al Fansome for pointing this out (initially on the SpacePolitics.com website, from which this was shamelessly pilfered).
Tensions were on public display last week at the NASA library, as overheard by guests at a book party.
According to people who were present, Logsdon, a space historian, told a group of about 50 people he had just learned that President John F. Kennedy’s transition team had completely ignored NASA.
Griffin responded, in a loud voice, “I wish the Obama team would come and talk to me.”
Alan Ladwig, transition team member who was at the party with Garver, shouted out: “Well, we’re here now, Mike.”
Soon after, Garver and Griffin engaged in what witnesses said was an animated conversation. Some overheard parts of it.
“Mike, I don’t understand what the problem is. We are just trying to look under the hood,” Garver said.
“If you are looking under the hood, then you are calling me a liar,” Griffin replied. “Because it means you don’t trust what I say is under the hood.
Just remember, folks – you heard it here first, though: the Moon program is a bunch of hot air and will be cancelled with the many budget realities that are now facing the incoming administration, including the never-ending bailouts.
Hey, maybe Big Aerospace should ask for a $100 billion bailout (make up a reason) and use that to launch someone to the Moon?
Somehow I don’t think they’re using He-3 from the Moon November 9, 2008
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They want to make mini-nuke plants the size of a garden shed that can power 20000 homes:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos

